This can’t be real
Real tweet, fake text… no way any NATO leader would say “Europe is going to pay BIG” it’s just too Trump. Same with the incessant comma splices.
But big congrats to Trump for ruining the information space so completely that I genuinely cannot tell what’s real anymore.
I’m sure EVERY European politician randomly CAPITALISES words like some LUNATIC
And signs their essay texts with their name. Very common as we all know.
I don’t believe this is real, but the all caps words aren’t random. They’re clearly for emphasis, the same kinds of words I might capitalize for effect. That is not really the unbelievable aspect of this scenario.
It’s Mark Rutte. He certainly would write it like this.
AP is reporting this as real
I would love and hate to see proof that Mark Rutte really texted this to Trump.
The “Truth” post is 100% real, inarguably, but I haven’t seen anyone reporting the picture is of a real message from Rutte to Trump.
E: never mind that is… apparently Rutte’s office has confirmed the message is really from Rutte???
???
I need to go lie down.
I’m confused why people are surprised at this, to be honest. It’s entirely expected.
I can tell you as a Dutchman, reading this I could hear Mark Rutte’s voice and it aligns with his anglophile suck-up character.
I couldn’t see him writing it any other way.
This is Mark Rutte.
He would totally say “Europe is going to pay in a BIG way” to flatter Trump.
Incessant comma splices is I guess typically Dutch and indicative to the way Rutte talks. I sometimes do it too.
He’s a liberal, making him almost as right-wing as Ursula von der Leyen, not a social democrat
or a democratic socialist or left of that.
It’s entirely expected, not sure why you’re in disbelief.
It reads like something Trump wrote about himself. He’s done that kind of bullshit before.
Trump has also leaked private messages before.
Or something written to pander to him.
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If you know Mark Rutte long enough, then you know it’s his style of flattering a person by mimicking him, mixed in with his own style of speech.
It’s saying the quiet part out loud. Surely anyone who sees this will be outraged?
It isn’t really a quiet part, though, never has been. NATO has openly been a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism headed by the US, no more and no less, since its inception.
The Rutte team has confirmed it was indeed a real text sent by Mark Rutte to Trump.
Ran a quick search and multiple well established news outlets are reporting this.
I’m afraid it is.
The wording does seem very out of character for Rutte but it makes sense that he feels the need to stoop to Trump’s level and overdo the flattering.
Really?
I’d say it hits it completely on point the way Rutte is, an anglophile that doesn’t want to rustle too many feathers unless it’s against leaders of countries outside of NATO.His party is super-pro-Israel and super-anti-Russia.
What’s he gonna complain about?Another .ml telling lies. There are only reports on this from bullshit sources. There are no major sources currently reporting this.
Care to share your “multiple well established sources” or should we just take your word for it?
Another person hating .ml for stating truths which oppose their fantasy world view.
AP: https://apnews.com/article/trump-rutte-text-message-nato-signal-6263810ac3ca77a5bf7366499f51c772
Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/ce9eb7e4-7989-45f6-a3b3-3cdec73a8540
Come on you can’t be this moronic.
It’s on the official trump account on his crap social media, you need BBC to show this link to you?
You really think people would go online and lie? Just because he posted it does not make it a real text. It does appear to be genuine though, but don’t just trust things cause someone said/posted it
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@umbrella@lemmy.ml was talking about Maeruu complaining about Lemmy.ml as the bullshit, umbrella was not claiming Maeruu’s take was Marxist-Leninist and that is bad. Really not sure how you got that one confused.
Things I’d want to know before deciding for myself whether the screenshot montage is real, regardless of whether Trump shared it (he did):
- Have we seen other screenshots where Trump use enormous font sizes? Is that how bigger system text looks in this app? He’s not exactly youthful, so it’s no great surprise, but worth asking the question.
- Is it realistic that Trump or an aide would have screenshotted the entire message within two minutes of it being received?
- Does this messaging app routinely display the contact name offset and the profile image vertically cropped? What app is it?
This is not real and does not belong in “World News”
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users. They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?
Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.
This is Lemmy.ml’s World News community. Lemmy.ml users are not brigading their own World News community, lmao. The large proportion of Marxists on Lemmy.ml does lead to an anti-western bias, if you want a pro-western bias there are other World News communities like on Lemmy.world.
If you have proof that it’s fake I would like to see it, but this is a real truth social post from Trump even if he’s lying.
Proof that it’s fake?
How about you provide proof that it’s real? I still see no sources other than what .ml users say. Is that how y’all operate just parrot each other and blindly believe?
Here’s France 24 reporting on it. Trump posted the tweet, it looks like, whether he made it up or not isn’t yet known. Neither option would be unsurprising. Not sure what your bone to pick with Lemmy.ml is. Plus, you made the authoritative claim that it’s fake, if you suspect it’s fake then just say that, don’t pretend you have definitive proof if you don’t.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114738606142462442
Good enough source for you?
Even better, thanks! Truth Social wasn’t working on my phone, lol
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This is not real
Don’t fall for their bullshit.
It turns out that—as usual—it is real.
It is posted by and primarily upvoted by .ml users.
Looking further into it you can see that almost every post in “World News” is from .ml users.
!worldnews@lemmy.ml is a lemmy.ml community. Why wouldn’t we be posting and voting in our own community on our own instance?
They are very anti-western everything but post western “news” heavily in communities. I wonder why?
Furthermore they are brigading comments in this thread. Don’t believe me, just look at the upvote/downvote activity for comments here.
Yes, we’re “brigading” our own community on our own instance 🙄
On a related note, how is your vote manipulation report coming along[1][2]? Given your trivially disprovable accusations here, I predict it will be more of the same.
Me: Trump needs to be taken to the Hague
Me: nooo not like that
This is so poorly written I have no idea if it’s sarcasm or not.
Eh, looks like rutte writes English in the same way that he speaks it. Honestly I first thought that it was a shitpost, but no, it seems legit.
Rutte’s unique approach to English merely reflects the fact that his intellectual ceiling would challenge even the most ambitious root vegetable.
Purely defensive pact btw
All in the interests of Europe btw
By the way Rutte changed the wording in the agreement to be more vague as to what ‘allies’ means because Spain refused to agree to 5%.
What a pathetic little worm Rutte is.
“What can we do to make it look like Israel is not committing war-crimes?” - Mark Rutte right before he got promoted to NATO chief.
obviously, I doubt Rutte was expecting this message to be shared. If he wasn’t a complete moron and actually doing this just to stroke his own ego, I’d actually give Donald props for leaking it, as Rutte kissing Donald’s ass makes him look terrible, and more broadly makes the European parts of NATO look terrible.
I imagine Rutte’s intent is to stroke Trump’s ego to try and keep him interested in NATO, but I feel like that’s a fool’s errand. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone else but himself. This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
Europeans online think that Rutte is ‘masterfully manipulating’ Trump by talking to him like a 5 year old and are extremely proud of this.
3d chess move by Rutte, kissing Trump ass and conceding his demands, a masterful move indeed.
Well Rutte’s job is basically to keep NATO together, can’t blame him for trying. Personally I would not be sad if NATO chucked the US and told them to pack their bases all around Europe and go home. But I understand Rutte’s position.
I’d love it if that happened, but that would also mean the dissolution of NATO, so I don’t see why NATO would motion to kill itself voluntarily.
NATO could very well exist without the US in it. It’s not like the other members can trust the US to help at this point.
NATO with 0 US arms or millitary power wouldn’t be nearly as effective. The EU could have its own treaty, but it would be entirely limited in capability.
Certainly, it would be more limited in capability on paper, but now they have a big member who likes bossing the others around and is also a huge liability. Losing that would be a serious win.
The US has always been at the helm of NATO. The US Empire is the reason NATO exists, the EU is thoroughly vassalized and subservient to the US. If the US was kicked out of NATO (lol), NATO would crumble, and the EU would be forced to either trade more with Russia or China to make up for the utter loss of their position in the western imperial system. The EU cannot stand on its own, it depends on imperialism, and currently relies on the US sphere of influence to perpetuate itself.
Yeah yeah, US exceptionalism much? You would be surprised how little Europe depends on the US, but as you imply, it’s become an abusive relationship that Europe needs to get out. Russia is no alternative for the US. The reason Europe needs to sever ties with the US is that it has become too much like Russia. China? Yes Europe does a lot of business with China already, that is not about to change.
This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
They’re massively investing in European defense industry, not just buying more from the US. They are scared of Russian aggression and they are scared the US will not honor NATO agreements which is why they’re committing so hard to defense spending. Also, I believe it’s 3.5% for military and 1.5% for infrastructure.
False. Europe is spending big money on American weapons. The independence story was only an excuse to get more money.
As for the Russia story, nice to see Red Scare works as good as in America when they dismantled their healthcare for the military industrial complex.
They are also spending big on domestic arms production. France will be a big winner out of this since they’ve long valued independent military arms production and the rest of Europe will want to buy French stuff (yes along with American stuff) while they get their arms production up and running. South Korea is also a big arms supplier internationally.
The reduction in US support for NATO is largely part of a pivot to focusing on Taiwan and China. The US military industry would love it if the US focused on both and kept cozy relations with europe. I’m sure they’re happy with the whole world increasing defense spending amid rising tensions, but they aren’t happy about the US scaring away customers. I hate how involved the US military is globally but acting like Trump is some mastermind of American imperialism is reductive and giving him too much credit. The thought that Europe shouldn’t be worried about Russia (the ones currently invading a European country) is bonkers.
You are flying into another big success in the Hague
I wish
Europe is going to pay in a BIG way
no joke, that defence spending increase is going directly to US pockets.
🤮
Well i just found out some of these NATO leaders were Nazis so NATO might just be a white supremacist group technically.
NATO is just a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism, which is headed by the US Empire.
The US empire had to influence because there is a lot of historical white supremacy.
White supremacy is a huge factor, for sure, but don’t discount the economic factor; the US economy is built on imperialism, and without it would crumble.
Oh my God I can just text the president while pretending to be anyone and shape world politics
Bootlicker.
Well … it’s good to see there aren’t just idiots in the US
