You form a union and bargain with your employer. Thats about it though
Let me explain why companies are doing things like this. They’ll make unreasonable demands and when you make mistakes as a result, the AI will capture it and they’ll use that in court to blame you as the employee and try to hold you personally liable. This is their way of saying you’re nothing more than a liability to them. Fuck this system. I’d start demanding a new employment agreement to protect yourself.
Or seek greener non-ai-infested pastures
Yea give up to A.I. that’s the only choice.
I think you misunderstand what a union does.
Shit in the glove compartment to assert dominance.
Cup holders are just cups to hold your cups…piss in them.
Stick a chewing gum on the thing’s speaker and start singing songs with very dirty and explicit lyrics, like gangsta rap and Bloodhound Gang.
All day long, everyday.
Persuade your colleagues to do the same.
They will have an endless string of report notifications they can’t do shit about.
Fight smart.Edit: still the best thing to do is unionize as many others already suggested, but fighting on more than one front is a good tactic, wars are won by exhausting your opponent.
- Talk to your union
- If you don’t have a union, form one
- If no one else cares, get a new job trucking
As much as others may hate it, hexbear has actually pinned great sources to start your own union.
Hexbear has a lot of good things, it’s just it’s users are sometimes a pain.
Your options (pick any combination you please):
- do whatever you can do to make it more bearable in the short term (turn down volume of AI warnings, whatever else you can configure)
- Unionize
- Bargain with your company/Negotiate your contracts
- Get hired by a new company that gives a shit about their employees
- Become an owner-operator
- start a trucking firm with a bunch of other drivers that are fed up with that bullshit
- Find a different kind of job that doesn’t require AI to surveil and harass you.
Those are good options but I get paid 32.75 per hour during the week and 40.75 on weekends and its a pretty cushy job. Hard to just get new job.
Do you have to violate laws/regulations laws to meet schedules? Perhaps malicious compliance and adhere to all laws. As some have said, a union could help. If you don’t have to violate laws/regulations to meet schedule, perhaps consider adhering to laws/regulations.
Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. “Tattling” programs are quickly becoming a staple of any sort of logistical jobs. Companies will parade it around as if it keeps people safe, or it protects the honest employees. It’s designed to give them reasons to get rid of you.
“You forgot your wife’s birthday again. Why can’t you be more like your cousin Jeffery? You need to lose weight.”
“Shut up!!”
“I’m sorry, Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.”
Those Solera devices you’ve got are relatively common automotive IoT fleet trackers. They usually have gps antennas. They talk to the engine and transmission directly over canbus. Then they process that data and report what they see over a cell network. If they see nothing, they report that too with a heartbeat signal and various error codes.
Depending on the model, they sometimes have external cell antennas connected with a mini coaxial cable. Find it and unscrew it all the way, then re-screw it in by only 1 and a half rotations so it’ll hang on but barely. Then clip the nearest ziptie so the cable wobbles free. It’ll cause the nut on the coax to get a stress fracture in under a year. They will have to replace the gps/cell antenna module and those are like $300 a piece through Samsora. In the meantime you’ll get iffy signal responses. Don’t let them catch you cutting the zip tie on camera or you WILL lose your job.
Your truck will be in the maintenance shop relatively frequently at the request of whoever reads the reports for repair of that cell module. They won’t find anything wrong with it, scratch their butts, then just screw it back down and replace the ziptie.
Unscrew it and clip it again.
don’t let them catch you, you WILL lose your job
Hey director of IT for a trucking company here, i just want to reiterate this part!
Don’t fucking do this. Any of this advice. You WILL lose your job and we WILL blacklist you from the industry for this shit. Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn’t need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring and annual inspections and all of the other “”“invasive nonsense”“” the government requires.
I dont want it either. Its all crazy expensive, annoying to manage, and I have to constantly deal with drivers complaining about it.
Sorry. I’m a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work. But no there is nothing you can do besides just get another job.
I just want to reiterate it again. Do NOT mess with the equipment your company has in your truck. At best you’ll just get fired but I’ve seen my company respond with legal measures in the past.
Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn’t need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring
Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect. Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.
Look I can tell you that no company wants to spend enormous amounts of money (we spend close to 7-figures per quarter for asset tracking) and pay an entire team of people to micromanage drivers. Plus companies and drivers make less money because they have to actually follow the rules now.
ELDs have been around for a really long time. It didn’t become standard until 2017.
Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect.
I want to say that businesses are famous for spending enormous amounts of money to fix a solved problem sarcastically but I’ve been working too long to believe it.
Still, so much of the problem isn’t with the monitoring but the annoying middle-management response of stack-ranking all the drivers. Rather than just playing your hand, big employers are constantly trying to reshuffle and “optimize” staff in order to squeeze out an extra ounce of profit. And the end result is everyone being immiserated in order to give someone with a marginal fluctuation in performance a raise.
Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.
Shit rolls downhill.
I’m a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work.
maybe find a new job where you don’t act like completely garbage manager? or work to find a human centric solution rather than… oppressive digital technologies?
I hope you end up with a neurolink in your skull and are constantly monitored for wrongthink.
My dude. How would you like a camera over your shoulder every minute of your workday, recording your every move? What might you do faced with that?
I work in an office with cameras ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What’s their justification for needing them?
I sure hope they don’t use the word “team.” Because that ain’t it.
Its an office space we lease. I am not sure who originally installed them as they were there when we moved in.
We do manage them and retain the recordings though.
…and you’re okay with being recorded all day long, just like that?
I understand the practical limitations of privacy. But as the IT admin i am also the one who manages the cameras and access to them so that helps.
Well the whole bit about backing out the nut is to cause it to fail in a manner that looks more like a maintenance problem and not a driver problem. Even when stuff like that only happens on one cab, it’s not enough to point at a singular driver.
And yeah all of that advice comes with the rider that “you may be unemployable” afterwards.
Yeah I get that. But you aren’t clever and you aren’t the first one to think about that.
We will catch you
Eh, that’s never true. Some people will be caught. And the typical person who gets their CDL only works a few years before they realize the industry sucks for drivers and burnout.
you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations
you are part of the reason everyone hates management. the overburden of society by technofascists like you will result in many horrible repercussions down the line.
giving nerds any power over workers was a mistake
Counterpoint: I would love to not be run over by a truck driver that decided that when redbull stops working a swig of whiskey will help him be awake after skipping the night sleep. You know how I know that I would love to not be in this situation? Because this exact situation happened to me and it sucks, even though I survived.
If anal probes is something that prevents heavy equipment operators from breaking the rules, so be it. I would prefer them not need that also.
You know there’s plenty of control freaks micromanaging everything underneath them even if it pisses off their best people to the point of quitting.
Especially those 1 or 2 rungs higher up the chain who need to make up problems to solve so they can justify their existence.
Man i have had drivers i work go full on road rage. No really he reached up and tried to tuen off the camera. Im not sure if had a fake button or he jist pressed the wrong on. Bit he the grabbed a gun and got out. This was after pushing a car in the cement baracade.
Its crqzy what some people do in cars
The safe way to fight back is through the trucking unions, which don’t seem interested in getting rid of this invasive software.
But if every trucker did this they couldn’t blacklist them all.
You’re the fucking problem. Maybe if you treated people with humanity and worked towards a common solution instead of using technology to drain people’s souls, you wouldn’t have people that hate the shit you’re slinging.
What you do makes the world a worse place to live in.
He didn’t say he was management and bought the stuff. He said he worked in IT. So with any power to make decision across a fleet.
I appreciate you defending me, but I did say I was director of IT so unfortunately I am management. But it wasn’t me deciding to install this stuff on our fleet, it was the federal government.
I’m also a supervisor at work but I don’t always get to decide on things. Often senior management gets an idea in their head and then I have to figure out how to implement it without breaking everything.
I do get to say I’m against something and I told you so. Which is usually followed by a compromise solution.
Reading this thread is really selling that dream job.
You all keep doing what you’re doing and there will be no drivers left to squeeze out and make their life even more miserable.The IT lackey just trying to make ends meet has no say in this process.
this is a similar argument to the nazis. this is how bureaucracy and management normalize oppressive conditions. a bunch of weak yes-men
Reductio ad Hitlerum is a really weird thing to pull out of your ass on this particular discussion.
ah, the just following orders guy
Or, conduct yourself with integrity. Advising someone to compromise their integrity is pretty shitty.
Eh. OP already told us they had no integrity. Ever met a truck driver? The overwhelming majority of them have no morals or integrity. There’s a reason why. It’s because they get to get paid for not being around people - it attracts people who suck. Not all truckers suck but the overwhelming majority of them do. I can’t post something that will suddenly make some of them read it and go “By gum… I should become a better person!” But I can post some shit that might make their boss’s job more difficult and possibly get OP fired which might be funny in a chaotic-evil kind of monday morning shitpost way.
Ever met a Lemmy poster? The overwhelming majority of them have no morals or integrity. There’s a reason why. It’s because they get to post while not being around people - it attracts people who suck. Not all posters suck but the overwhelming majority of them do. I can’t post something that will suddenly make some of them read it and go “By gum… I should become a better person!” But I can post some shit that might make their posting more difficult and possibly get OP banned which might be funny in a chaotic-evil kind of monday morning shitpost way.
You do me proud by copypastaing my shitpost
This is the reason Unions exist.
Individually you have no power. As a group you do have power to force them to revoke these decisions.
Your choice is joining a Union or not.
Another comment said unions aren’t interested in getting rid of this.
Not my experience.
In my job they are trying to do something similar (AI driven productivity control) and unions are fighting against it.
Ok, but what can OP do now? I support joining a union. But if there is none, then forming one takes time.
Is there anything that OP can do now? Quit, maybe?
Pretty much it. Unless there’s an infringement of labor law. I don’t know where they work or much about other countries labor laws.
They would probably need to hire a lawyer in this case. Unions usually also help in these cases.
Only if US drivers would stop driving like idiots and idling their motors wasting fuel.
Don’t American cars have a start stop automation that stops the engine as soon as the car isn’t driving? Or are they also disabling it?
It exists in some cars, but it’s clunky and anyone with used car experience gets a jump scare every time it happens. It’s really only well implemented in hybrids.
That’s gotta burn out starters really fast.
Are you talking about a commercial truck or you personal vehicle? If it’s a truck you drive as your job, you’re probably screwed. I’d be pissed as hell, but I don’t imagine there’s much you can do other than quit. If it’s your private vehicle, let me know the company selling it so I never buy one of their vehicles.
company truck
That sucks. I’m not sure what options you have. Are you union?
no
Why the fuck not?
not everyone has that option
See previous comment.
Crazy idea I haven’t seen posted here, but hear me out:
Stop driving like a dick. Follow the rules of the road. Stop speeding. Stop swerving. Stop going over the lines at stop signs and traffic lights. ETC…
This will slow down the route by hours. That’s the only way that they’ll discontinue it, when they realize that it’s making the delivery routes slower.
and stop driving like a dick, you’re driving a fucking truck.
You trust some POS computer over a human driver? I don’t. If the damn computer is so correct in its assessment, it should be driving. And, obviously, I know that’s coming, but it’s not here yet. It should be one, or the other, not a computer back-seat driver.
“They”?
Lol I also didn’t understand wtf OP was talking about and thought he this was a schizo thing. The context missing from the title is apparently that it’s a company vehicle.
Whats wrong with joining a union? Some 50 yrs ago, over 80% of factory workers were unionized, today its more like 30% iirc. Its not because unions dont work, its because they do and companies spend copius anounts to get them discredited.
JOIN A UNION.
I love how people talk about joining a union like it’s making an order on Amazon.
If it was that easy bro probably wouldn’t be asking for help.
The reality is in a lot of cases the easier thing to do is quit and fuck everyone else.
Unions do very little to make it easier to create a new one if you are not part of one already, and even if you have the will, you also need the network, people skills, patience, money and contacts to make it work.
Okay, I have to assume you dont actually know how unions work.
Unions arent employer specific. They can be industry specific but they dont have to be.
You just put your city or the industry you work into your favorite search engine and give the first 5 pages a cursory look. Whatever seems most interesting, you do a little research about. It the impression is net positive, you join them. Most unions also have some kind of solidarity thing where people who dont have a lot dont have to pay a lot.
In return, they help you with work problems, help you find new work in some cases and even strike with you.
Please join unions.
Are you in the US? I just tried that for my job and found exactly as many options as expected. I’ll give you 0 guesses how many it was.
I am not, which I realize is a huge privilege at this point in history. I’ve gone ahead and just searched workers union in atlanta (first city that came to mind) on duckduckgo and found this: https://ufcw1996.org/
You can also join the international version of the union which i am a member of. They’re more radical and demand system change and quite large, depending on the country: https://www.iwa-ait.org/
I realize that the us has been completely gutted in terms of unions. That does not excuse not trying to join one and it is exceedingly stupid to blame anyone but the powers that be for this.
Individualizing systemic oppression is one of the largest weapons against an organized population. Making you hate your neighbor, the local soup kitchen etc for some bogus reason is what isolates people an makes them easy to manipulate.
Keep that in mind if you get frustrated with democracy inducing organizations sometimes not being perfect. “Perfection” is another bogus idea of our sick system. “Works” is what we should strive for and noting more because that means more exploitation of life.
I wish you a good read and feel free to contact me if you need help.
You are giving a perfect example of what I’m saying. Zero of your information is useful or applicable and you insist that “just do it bro” is the answer.
You apparently don’t even know unions work differently depending on the country, and yet you “educated” me as if you were giving me the secret to catgirls.
This is exactly my point. There is a disconnect between the ideologues and those privileged enough to be able to join an existing union, and the reality of the majority of workers that can’t simply “just join a union or make your own” like its ordering a meal of Uber eats.
Unions are a privilege, and we should stop acting like it’s something anyone can “just get one bro”.
You’re aware that you’re claiming things and provide no sources or proof for them, right?
Maybe lets start with trying to do the basics in debating other people. If you make a statement that is not unilaterally understandable, you back it up.
That said, your ad hominem shows me you lack the personality to survive in a union. Going after fellow workers gets you kicked out in a heartbeat. We’re one class. Divided we fall, united we stand.
Now show respect and explain if you think I’m wrong or gtfo.
“You lack the personality to survive in a union” yikes.
Sometimes I wonder if people like you are actually purposefully bad actors trying to give worker movements a bad rep.
But yeah, blind ideologues like you are exactly what I’m talking about. Sorry you need someone to explain this to you. Don’t worry I’m sure you’ll find someone who can deal with you.
Cheers buddy.
