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    This result is quite an achievement with the immense global soft power of US cultural institutions like Hollywood buoying it up.

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    More like “which country do you dislike slightly less”. None of them are in the positives, it is just a choice between two evils.

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      The caption below the graph in the image states that is how you should interpret the results in some places:

      The map compares the popularity of the U.S. and China in each country based on their net perception score (measured as the difference between the share of respondents with a positive perception minus those with a negative perception of each country.) The country with the higher net score is relatively more popular, or less unpopular.

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    Hmmmm… they made liking China red and liking the US green… hmmm call me crazy guys but there might be a bias in this source

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    Didn’t read the linked article when i first saw this post, some more interesting (though not surprising) results from the poll:

    Trump recorded the worst score among a range of political, cultural and spiritual leaders that includes X owner Elon Musk, Microsoft founder Bill Gates, the late Pope Francis, Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian.

    Israel emerged as the country with the worst global reputation of those included in the poll, especially in the Middle East and South Asia. Israel is unpopular even in European countries that have historically been its allies, such as Germany, signaling growing discomfort with its government’s conduct in Gaza and the West Bank.

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      yet we germans are still happy enough to sign new weapon export deals to Israel. As long as the money flows, who cares for human right violations en masse, amirite?

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    We Indians despise the Chinese. Seriously others underestimate how much we hate them. Not to mention they keep trying to steal our borders

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    I dislike countries with backwards religion that tries to oppress women and certain groups.

    And the US, atm.

    (/am in the US)

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    I have serious doubts Brasil likes the US more, especially now.
    But I’m not surprised since the source for this index is completely made up of people from the western imperialist core.
    And ex-NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen in the board of directors.

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    They’re about to lose Brazil.

    Other graph in article is US popularity decline started with Ukraine war, and Russia gained. Russia is likely to overtake US in near future. The significance of 2022 trend start is that only everyone who already hated Russia was in favour of warmongering propaganda against it. Countries with Stalin Derangement Syndrome still love the US.

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      I tried to read into this but I’m not going to pay 900 Euro to read the report.

      There are plenty of good reasons why opinions on the US are souring but I can’t think of a single reason why anyone would raise their opinion on Russia given they invaded a sovereign nation and their list of war crime is stacking up next to Israel.

      Stalin Derangement Syndrome? Are you a Holodomor denier by any chance? He was a seriously flawed individual who made some seriously poor decisions. There are too many testimonials to ignore the mismanagement of the USSR. The US definitely pushed it off a cliff but it walked up to the edge.

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        Stalin Derangement Syndrome? Are you a Holodomor denier by any chance?

        genocide designations are political, and blame on one side for a famine is always going to be more political than truth. The absolute worst nazi (anti communist first, any alternative 2nd)/nafo supporters here, and in eastern Europe who take their Stalin Derangement Syndrome as motivation to diminish Reformed Russia. Holomodor is a Ukrainian word, and a 90s western neoliberal/Ukrainian nazi political effort to lay the groundwork for division/war/liberal supremacist murder. Genocide absolutists serve evil warmongering bloodthirst only, and not truth.

        The interesting part of the graph is that US/NATO propaganda over manufacturing war did not convince any additional people to have negative views of Russia. People outside the western media bubble are not any smarter than those with easier access to cable news propaganda. They still have more access to western produced, english, media than Russian media. The steady improvement of Russia favorability since begining of war, is an extreme condemnation of US/NATO demonic evil warmongering.

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        A ‘sovereign nation’ where Nuland dictates to the US ambassador who would be in the government?
        LOL

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      Russia started the war and they have the power to end it. That’s not ‘warmongering’ it’s the only path to lasting peace. Fuck war, fuck Putin.

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        You’re all like those hasbara people who think history starts on oct 7 and nothing happened before.
        Everyone with some interest in it has seen the US support, train and arm those fascist Azov that have terrorised the east and south for 8 YEARS.
        Just bcs they didn’t care to show it in western news doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
        And they broke the Minsk Accords, all of them.
        But Russia started it, riiight.
        Don’t come crying now, they gave you all the chances for peace.
        That’s what happens to US proxies.

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          Both sides broke the Minsk Agreement and the whole thing was a ceasefire brokered after Russia INVADED CRIMEA. Yes Russia started it. Now to some people it’s a debate on if they were justified but it was absolutely and without question an aggressive movement of Russia on Ukraine.

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            LOL is that your alt account?
            And NO, only the ukros broke it as monitored by the OCSE (which isn’t even neutral)
            Before the intervention it went up to around a 1000 violations per day for the Banderites and about 10 (as usual) for the Donbass and Luhansk people.
            The Banderites were ready to do their final big push to ethnic cleanse them.
            That’s when Russia intervened.

            You clearly also know nothing about Crimea, almost fully ethnic Russian, and only been part of ex-ukraine for a short period. (bcs of the ukro Chruchev).
            In all polls long before the fascist coup people have voted 75+% to be with Russia.
            After the coup OC 95% and more.
            The Banderites even cut off the water (one of their many warcrimes) and nobody wanted to live under that regime that even forbid them to use Russian for official purposes.
            And never in your wildest dreams would Russia give up the Black Sea fleet.
            NATO has gone too far.
            Again, cry all you want, they caused it, have been given plenty opportunity for peace but insisted on being a proxy to die for the US/UK.
            Now they will learn their lesson.

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              I only have the one account. You are delusional. I can’t be bothered to reply with any more effort because it would be wasted on you.

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                all I can hope for.
                Could’ve stayed out of it with your obvious US propaganda lies in the first place.

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          Russia did start it, that’s why the Minsk Accords were a thing to begin with. You’re the one pretending history starts at some politically convenient point.

          Ukraine is a distinct nation with its own culture, language, history and art. They should be free to self govern, not be conquered by a neighbor. There is no justification for Russia’s invasion, it’s a genocide.

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            So a 3rd alt account now?
            Clearly that doesn’t help if you keep repeating obvious and factually wrong nonsense.

            Russia did start it, that’s why the Minsk Accords were a thing to begin with

            Besides being totally ignorant on the history you also have a problem with comprehensive reading.
            A typical american.
            Try again, read carefully, use your finger and take it in word by word.: “The Banderites started the war 8 years before Russia entered.”

            It were the coup nazis trying to ethnically cleanse the east and south. They were ukranian ethnic Russians, not Russians.
            And Russia has done everything to limit casualties.
            Not like you barbarians or the shitraelis you are complicit with who cowardly bomb complete cities.
            And again the figures prove it.
            So LOL at your ‘genocide’ crocodile tears drama queen.

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      The caption below the graph in the image states that is how you should interpret the results in some places:

      The map compares the popularity of the U.S. and China in each country based on their net perception score (measured as the difference between the share of respondents with a positive perception minus those with a negative perception of each country.) The country with the higher net score is relatively more popular, or less unpopular.

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      You’ll notice a lot of the “Likes China” nations are consumer economies and a lot of the “Likes US” nations are export economies (particularly those in direct competition with China).

      If I was working at Toyota, I wouldn’t like the folks exporting BYDs to all my biggest customers, either.

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        I give it 5-10 years, if that, before Brazil flips to China. Especially since Trump is trying to tell them how to run the country and China is proposing a transcontinental railroad.

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          Survey was taken before Trump put “special 50% tariffs because Bolsanaro (previous president) insurection prosecution is a witch hunt”. Brazil has likely flipped.

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        That may be a factor, but Germany is maybe the country in the world with the most auto industry. Possibly tied with Japan.
        And while Japan favors USA, which may be in line with your thinking, Japan has always had problematic relations with China. Which is a more likely explanation IMO.
        Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea. And what’s notable is that most traditional American allies, now doesn’t even favor USA over China which has been a strained relation to mostly all those countries for a long time.

        I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law and both political and trade relations, we’ve agreed on for more than 80 years.

        USA abandoning Ukraine after they promised to protect Ukraine when they gave up their nukes, is a very strong political signal that USA can’t be trusted as a friend or ally.

        We don’t expect much from China, as long as they don’t invade Taiwan that’s a plus!
        With low expectations it’s much easier for China to live up to them.
        USA on the other hand, is failing completely with Trump threats lies and manipulation, and not only Trump, but the entire administration and MAGA and GOP. So USA is looking more and more as no better than China.
        And with China being the more reliable of the two, the favor tilts towards China now!

        It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights, and have so little intention of following any promises previously made in international political agreements. Fuck Trump even abandoned his own trade agreement with Canada for no rational reason! And USA is threatening to invade an allied country!

        IMO this has little to do with working in a car factory, but much more to do with Trump creating insecurity, and fucking everybody over, and looking more and more like a Nazi doesn’t help either.

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          core values about international law

          decency and respect of human rights

          LOL you live in a fantasy world.

          Imperialism, wars, regime changes and supporting dictatorships are their values.
          And then you have the nerve to criticise China.
          A country that doesn’t do this.
          Taiwan is part of China, even the US recognises that.
          And again, it’s the US guilty of arming them and stirring trouble.

          Ukraine never had nukes, they were just placed there.

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          Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea.

          This is a race to the bottom. Germans blame the US for a host of domestic problems - high cost of energy, repeated large influxes of migrants (particularly from the Middle East), the repeated threat of high tariffs with a big trading partner, escalation with Russia over Ukraine which has cut Germany off from a number of major markets for cheap raw materials - that have eclipsed their nativist disgust for East Asian businesses.

          It’s for the same reason Canadians hate the US, atm. Could change on a dime if the AfD takes over the German Parliament and Euro-centric white nationalism becomes an axis around which Russia, Germany, and the US can align.

          I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law

          There’s a lot of rhetoric around Trump’s fickle ham-handedness. But Germans weren’t terribly positive about Biden or Bush, either. The Germans (and the French) are trying to corral the rest of Europe into operating as their client states. That’s turf the Americans staked out decades ago, and its one they’re struggling to hang onto. So there’s a natural tension between German and American capital that doesn’t exist in the same way with China, as China’s not an occupying military in the region.

          Chinese imports are, if anything, easing Germany off the US market system and into an Eastern facing market with German banks and German-owned shipping companies at the center. Chinese and German business people are happy to play ball in the same way that American and Chinese business people worked together to undermine the American working class back in the 80s/90s.

          It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights

          The Americans never had any decency or respect for human rights. What they had was advanced technology and an enormous economic surplus to spread around. Now, the US is in an intellectual and economic retreat, having invested too much of their surplus into a hyper-automated AI pipe dream.

          Europe has nothing to gain by wedding itself to an economy that only knows how to make advertisements and bombs (and barely remembers how to crank out the latter). So we’re seeing a decoupling that was going to happen under any administration. Trump’s just dumping lighter fluid on the dumpster fire.

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            Nobody was positive about Bush, Bush started the slippery slope Trump is on now, for instance the war in Iraq was wildly unpopular, and the comment that if you aren’t with us you are against us was disgusting, considering the war was based on false intelligence, which was reveled already at the time.

            Biden was at best a mediocre president, and he too made weird comments like USA will always stand by Ukraine at the same time Trump behaved as a Russian asset, and could possibly win the election. Still Trump has taken it to new lows in everything which even Bush didn’t, and USA was also very unpopular after Bush. But Trump is breaking agreements left and right and both politically and economically attacking allies for rational reason. Neither Bush nor Biden did anything remotely close to that.
            Trump and Maga is really a new low in USA in so many ways, and even if Trump had a foreign policy of business as usual, he is obviously dangerous for his fascist policies, that would 100% eventually flow over to foreign affairs.

            But that besides the point I was trying to make above. You claimed it was mostly about being an export economy competing with China, I think I demonstrated that that is too simplistic.

            Maybe the simpler point I could have made is that everybody competes with China.

            But how you can even think of comparing Trump with Biden is beyond me, those are so different in almost every aspect that it’s ridiculous to make that comparison IMO.
            I bet if there’s a comparable poll from 2 years ago, USA would have much more support back then.

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              Nobody was positive about Bush

              Incidentally, the 9/11 Responder and Survivor Health Funding Correction Act did not pass until 2023.

              We are flush with Bush hagiographies.

              Maybe the simpler point I could have made is that everybody competes with China.

              They’re the single largest manufacturing economy in the world. And they’re on the cutting edge of a host of modern technical fields.

              Vanishingly few economies compete with China in any material way (Japan, India, Korea, maybe France and Brazil if we’re being generous). They’re a global wholesaler for everyone else.

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                Obviously some Americans liked him since he was elected twice, but nobody outside USA liked Bush.
                And when I write nobody, obviously I don’t mean that literally, but Bush was a very disliked president outside USA.

                Vanishingly few economies compete with China in any material way

                That’s a very weird claim, especially since you mention cars. Europe and China are in very steep competition also on cars. Countries highly affected by this area alone are: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Czechia, Sweden, Netherlands, and UK. That means ALL the major economies of Europe are competing with China.

                IDK if you are American, things may look different over there, you seem pretty ignorant of what happens in the rest of the world.

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                  nobody outside USA liked Bush.

                  Blair defends Iraq war and praises Bush

                  Sept. 7, 2010

                  You can find similar pledges of support and friendship from Shinzo Abe, Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon, Steven Harper, John Howard, Nicolas Sarkozy, Vladimir Putiny… Practically every conservative government leader of the War on Terror era was expressing support for Bush late into his second term and beyond.

                  Europe and China are in very steep competition also on cars.

                  The Shift of German Car Parts Manufacturing to China Explained

                  Oops. It’s all China.

                  IDK if you are American, things may look different over there

                  It’s not, that’s the joke. The American business model of buying from the cheapest producer and then spending all your money on branding/marketing is everywhere.

                  Both Volkswagen and Ford parts are coming from the same plants. Possibly made by the same exact machinists. The only thing you’re paying a premium for is the ad reads.

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          It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights,

          When were those ever a thing in America?

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    Source: 2025 Democracy Perception Index

    Dear Americans, think about this one. If you can.

    - Canada

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      With ex-NATO chief Rasmussen among others on the board of directors 😂
      I’m sure they are very objective

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      Just like to point out for everyone else that, at least when it comes to Canada, the US vs China is a Last vs Second Last situation. Opinions on China haven’t improved, the US has just fallen that far.

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        I imagine that will be the case many places elsewhere also. Certainly that is in line with my own thinking.

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        Opinions on China haven’t improved, the US has just fallen that far.

        Weeelll maybe not entirely, while I think you are right about public opinion not having improved much towards China, and most of it is because USA definitely has fallen.
        There is a matter about pragmatic politics of necessity or “real politics” as we call it here, but I don’t know if that term means the same in English. But in that regard China has REALLY shot up in popularity, as the option for cooperation to keep our economies afloat while USA is hammering everybody including themselves on the economy, and is causing grat instability.

        EU has made many trade deals since Trump became president, Closer ties with UK, new deals with Canada within multiple areas including defense cooperation, and trade deal with Indonesia and Singapore.
        Some of these deals have been negotiated over years, but after Trump, they have suddenly become “finalized”. Meaning they will be written into law.

        In the exact same way talks with China are now way more open about improving trade relations, to compensate for USA being unreliable. So in practical terms, relations with China are actually improving because of Trump!

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        Yes, we know. You were supporting US atrocities without a shred of guilt or empathy for as along as you’ve existed. You only flipped because you’re now on the receiving end of it this time.