Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region
Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.
Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.
Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.
Ofc he does. Surprised he can even talk while gargling so much Russian balls…
Honestly not even news, tbh.
Muscovites 1 MAGAts 0
F-off! The French should have ignored the American colonists plea for financial and military aid to boot out the Red Coats.
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What have they lost? MAGA was aligned with Putin from the start, because it was the opposite of what Biden wanted. It’s not their territory that’s being lost and they generally think Ukrainians are soy liberals who deserve to lose.
Liberals keep trying to turn this into a contest between Americans and Russians, but it is clearly not
The French should have ignored the American colonists plea for financial and military aid
The American Natives and African future slaves would have been far better off if they had.
Purchase a one-way ticket to Russia. Nobody with a sane mind would want to be occupied by the Muscovites.
Why travel to the other side of the world when we’ve got a white nationalist police state right here in America?
Next Putin will claim Alaska used to be Russian, and should be handed back.
And trump would give it to him after some fake posturing.
Actually, Lenin invented the United States in the first place, so their entire country is historically part of Russia /s
There’s some nutjobs in the Duma who have already said that. Though this should be taken the same way as when some nutjob in the US House says something. Probably nothing will come of it, but occasionally, it does.
Doesn’t much matter, Zelensky has already said that’s a non-starter and their constitution forbids it anyway.
None of these demands are remotely acceptable to European leaders, either. Donbas is the part the headlines focus on, but the security guarantees sought by Russia are more egregious, given they would leave Ukraine totally defenseless.
Hey, they would let the US give security guarantees! Wait… I see what you’re saying…
Got a translated source? That’d be a really interesting constitution
In rejecting Mr. Trump’s proposal, Mr. Zelensky invoked Ukraine’s Constitution, which states that the Ukrainian territory is indivisible and inviolable. “The answer to Ukraine’s territorial question is already in the Constitution of Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “No one will step back from this, nor will anyone be able to.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/09/world/europe/zelensky-trump-ukraine-russia.html
Constitution doesn’t matter much when your invader is stronger than you
stronger than you
lmao, 3 years and the great superpower once thought equal to the United States can’t win the war they started. Give me a break.
USA was stronger than Vietnam and they still lost. USSR was stronger than Afghanistan and they still lost.
Clearly strength isn’t everything. Russia just needs to relearn this lesson they forgot - a determined foe can’t be beaten with brute strength alone.
lmao, 3 years and the great superpower once thought equal to the United States can’t win the war they started
Nobody in the right mind though russia nowhere near usa power
USA was stronger than Vietnam and they still lost. USSR was stronger than Afghanistan and they still lost
If russia was losing there wouldn’t be discussion about ukraine giving up some land but don’t get me wrong i don’t think they will control those lands forever. No occupation is eternal
The only ones talking about Ukraine giving up their land are Putin and his puppet
If russia was losing there wouldn’t be discussion about ukraine giving up some land
You might have some semblance of a point if Zelenskyy and Putin were the ones having this negotiation, but the only two people seriously discussing this are Trump (a moron and a traitor) and Putin (the guy currently losing).
Why does Russia want peace so badly if they could just win at any time? Believe me, dipshits like you have been flooding my DMs for 3 years saying Russia is only a few weeks away from crushing Ukraine and I love nothing more than setting up reminders to come back and taunt you when Ukraine is still here, still fighting, and not willing to take some shitty deal that Trump the Traitor and Putin decided on themselves behind closed doors.
So tell me, how much longer before Russia wins this conflict? Can’t wait for your next big prediction Nostradumbass. I’ll be sure to save it and come back to make fun of you just like all the others. Nothing else makes me feel more superior.
You are right about one thing, though. No occupation is eternal. The Russian invaders will be expelled from Ukraine eventually.
You are insulting me just because i disagree with you about who has the upper hand in the war although i support ukraine and i agree that morally ukraine shouldn’t give up it’s land just like palestinians also do? . You piece of trash. Learn some manner
You can disagree all you like, but facts are facts. Ukraine is not losing, Russia is not winning.
If you woke up tomorrow and started saying “I disagree, the sky is not blue it is red.” people would rightly treat you like a fucking moron. Same here. Fuck your feelings.
Only your feeling are hurt
If you woke up tomorrow and started saying “I disagree, the sky is not blue it is red.”
You are so dumb if you really think this comparison is accurate
Luckily then that in this case the invader looks weaker. Only thing they seem to be able to do is parrot ”but muh nukes” in all negotiations. If China would drop their support, Russia would be toast. It’s the only thing keeping this conflict alive.
Is china support to russian invasion that big compared to nato and the usa support to ukraine? I think ukraine will lose some territory temporarly. No military occupation is eternal
The crucial difference is that China does it covertly, and partly through its satellites like N-Korea. Western support is open, and frankly the right thing to do in the face of aggressive invasion.
Eternal is a difficult term, but in Russia’s case they never cede anything except in the face of absolute catastrophe, like the soviet collapse was. For instance, Finland has not gotten any of the territories taken from it back, and will not unless Russia happens to dissolve into its states. And those areas are mostly turned into wasteland by now which will be the fate on Donbas too if they get it.
Treaties dont matter when your enemy doesnt respect them,
Russias conditions for peace are surrender, and surrender is death. The Russian army has from day 1, displayed that their intention is ethnic cleansing.
All that matter is who have better stamnia and stronger position in the war. I am not talking morally but just how thr world works
Child raping fucktard
To hell with trump and putin, no glory in anything they do, abusing their own country
I don’t seem to remember anyone other than Trump appointing Trump the lead deal negotiator for this, people would be losing their brains of Xi Jinping or Kier Starmer randomly started saying they were negotiating a ceasfire between Russia and Ukraine, Trump starts trying to do and it’s all “sure let’s give him a crack at it” regardless of the ridiculous outcomes of his meetings with either Putin or Zelinsky… I’ve seen toddlers with better negotiating skills than this demented fool
Let’s also not forget that the only reason he is even trying to negotiate and put an end to the war is trying to get the nobel peace prize.
Piece of shit. The US really outdid themselves reelecting that asshole.
I think it might be more of an Epstein situation here.
Trump is willing to sell out Ukraine and carve up its carcass as long as he gets a piece of the action.
It’s comically and frustratingly obvious that his “ideas” are simply “whatever the last guy he talked to said”
Yup. If you had Trump’s ear for a few minutes, he is incredibly easy to manipulate.
That’s the dementia. At this point he is increasingly acting senile.
Yup, upcoming summit with Zelenskyy and the EU, and his tone will change after that.
No, Trumps team will insist on going forward with the deal they arranged with Vlad. Europe (which includes Ukraine) will say fuck that, and team Trump will then use it as political ammo to justifiy more tarriffs and more energy into the Asia pivot. IE they will say they’re pulling out and leaving Russia to have its fun.
When trump met with Zelenskyy in the Vatican he changed his tune real quick. I guess we will see how it goes.
It ain’t his tho?
This is like selling someone else’s car to a third party.
Yeah, but he wouldn’t be the rapist that he is if he understood no means no.
But the car repairs has been paid for by US
If by US you mean Europe then yes.
He who drinks with the enemy while his ally bleeds is no hero but a fool. You grant him honor while he seeks to burn your and your ally’s home. No word of peace holds meaning while his sword is still raised against those who stand with you.
Install troops in Ukraine and show Putin already god damn it. That makes putin mad? Good that will make EU more unified. And its not like putin is gonna drop nuclear bombs cause thats suicide :) So bring him to his knees.
who the fuck does he think he is to “negotiate” ceding someone else’s territory? (I’m not expecting any answers, the oompa loompa simply defies all logic)
something something, Alpha country, Beta country, Having cards, not having cards.
In all seriousness. these are people who have been parroting the same Kremlin lies that were confidentley asserting that Ukraine was already defeated like 1 month in and that everything after that was just prolonged suffering. These people are either Cowards, or Complicit. or both.
What the hell do you expect when two criminals meet. Fuck Vlad and and his orange sock puppet. The EU and Ukraine already know they will have to contain the Russians without the MAGAt fuckers.
I like how you call him a sock puppet. It’s a perfect analogy since his other use is to be Putin’s cum sock.
Trump is an imbecile. His grave is going to be a gender neutral bathroom for the rest of human history.
I would use that bathroom.
Oh so we negotiate with and reward terrorists now? Because they aren’t going to stop here any more than they stopped with Crimea.
“negotiate”
To be fair, we always have. Despite it being said that we don’t, that’s always been bullshit. It’s said so terrorists think that they can’t be rewarded for their actions, but almost every time they try to negotiate we do, which is probably a good thing.
History is full of example of rewards to terrorists like giving zionists who commited acts of terrors like king david hotel a state
So I think I missed something? Why is Trump thinking he has a say in this?
Since if Ukraine don’t listen, US will cut off military aid.
Which unfortunately, Ukraine need since no one else can provide the numbers and TACO would likely even block EU and AU from buying US weapons if they were intended for Ukraine.
Meanwhile he’s giving away Alaska to Putin.
It was obvious three days ago, but it’s painfully obvious now why Trump has initiated quasi martial law in DC.
If he actually gave Alaska to Russia, the Republican majority in the Senate would be down to one seat. The House is a little harder to quantify, because Alaska has one seat that would be reaportioned somewhere, but it wouldn’t help their thin House majority much, either.
Also, I’m pretty sure Alaska would say fuck you, we’re an independent nation now. Russia could do fuck all about it. Their military is already at the breaking point, they don’t have a lot of capacity to land equipment across the sea, Alaska has a very well armed population, and the geography is ideal for insurgent tactics.
would he really refuse to sell something?!
Well, he’s a bitch, so yeah if his boss tells him so he’s too little of a man to stick up to him.
He’s a self important blowhard with delusons of adaquacy. That’s really all there is to it.
Because the usa is still the major military power and he is the president now.
They aren’t a major military power in Ukraine though.
They are a major backer though I think
One angle of analysis is, that this war is a proxy war between the world‘s hegemon and a state that does not want to be subjugated to their rule, but rather insists on their own sovereignty.
The power balance in the world tipped in the (now) hegemons favor with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Since then the US further increased the pressure on the remnants of the old world power, Russia, through their military alliances they have with other, subjugated, western states.
The US works to stay the only power in the whole world, which is right now a so-called unipolar world, but lots of other countries aim for a multipolar world, because they don‘t want to suffer under the heavy boot of the US. Some might even strive to do things differently, but if they try, the bully of the world comes knocking.
TheUkraine, which also wants sovereignty, only has a marginal voice in all of this.That doesn’t explain why Russia is invading an adjacent sovereign state. Ukraine “wants sovereignty” because it already has it and doesn’t want it taken away.
“Has” is a bit strong at the start of the war (2014). The revolution of dignity built actual sovereignty by slowly ousting the puppeteers. At the start of the major conflict (2022), the Ukrainian identity was only a fraction of how strong it is now.
In the end, there is perhaps some conspirational truth to what he said. Heavy hints that Russia invaded exactly after Maidan (2014), “separatists super unhappy with less ties with Russia and revolted too”, in the same week, is the weakest shit I have ever seen. Happy for 25 years, suddenly revolted. And Russia brought a whole occupational army to help the poor peacefully seceding citizens. Doesnt take a genius to see it’s just an already planned out show of force, “You don’t suckle on great big Russia’s teet, so we can slowly eat you? Then I will take your lands”
It‘s nice that you want that kind of explanation, but that‘s not what I offered. You can argue strawmen all day, but your question wasn‘t asked.
What I’m saying is, that what Ukraine wants is just wholly irrelevant, as two nuclear powers have to figure out some stuff between themselves.
The Ukraine
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What’s up, smelling some conspiracy? OMG, you might just be on to something!
Or, go figure, my native language could just use definitive articles for what is just „Ukraine“ in the English language and I just made a grammatical mistake, which has nothing to do with the content of what has been said. How about you engage with that instead.
“The Ukraine” specifically referred to the Ukraine region of the USSR. Since it gained independence its just been “Ukraine.” Typically anyone calling it “The Ukraine” is either misinformed or some flavor of Russian nationalist.
And you forgot the part where russian imperialism is basically working as a recruitment drive for NATO. If you want to call Ukraine a proxy war, sure, but who the fuck started it?
Alright, there‘s no „questioning Ukraine‘s sovereignty“ by deadnaming it from my side. I already started leaving the „the“ out from other comments, so thanks for the English lesson, I appreciate it.
I forgot nothing, tho, I was rather describing a valid political analysis that offers an answer to OP‘s question, and the only one as it stands. It‘s a starting point, of course not the complete story.
There‘s also no gotcha to be had. Concluding with „Russia bad“, because they invaded Ukraine is, although true as a statement of fact, dishonest and overly simplistic. Downplaying or downright whitewashing the role of the USA is … lacking, at best.
Downplaying or downright whitewashing the role of the USA is … lacking, at best.
What did they do specifically?
Here you go, fishing for trigger words. I‘m certain you know some of the accusations already, but for a myriad of reasons never seriously engaged with them. But you do seem to like making fun of the people bringing them up.
So, tell me, where are your doubts or holes in your own narrative and I might be willing to provide you with a vantage point from my perspective, so as a result we actually can have a sincere exchange.
Until now, tho, I haven‘t gotten the impression, that you are asking in good faith and I‘m unwilling to enter debate bro territory.
Anyway, I answered OPs (rhetorical) question with well enough key words for you to start your own little reading endeavor. You don‘t need to be scared to become a tankie for actually reading stuff that‘s not western mainstream, since that „angle“ is supported by actual American scholars and journalists, already (if that makes it more approachable for you).
