• Trimatrix@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Didn’t the US do that in Vietnam? Issue an evacuation order to an area and then declared anyone remaining an enemy combatant?

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    10 days ago

    And nobody gives a shit anymore.

    People where screaming “genocide” for so long at things that were decidedly NOT genocide that now, that the real genocide has started, we’re already past the point of attention saturation and not a single person in power will do anything about it. Congratulations, keyboard warriors and weekend protesters!

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      10 days ago

      The fuck? They’re more honest about what they’re doing, but everything Israel is doing now it has been doing for the whole year and a half-long genocide.

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        10 days ago

        Ah, you’re one of those guys…

        In the initial stages of the fight, before the first major ceasefire, Israel was causing a historically low number of casualties. It was around 0.8 dead Palestinians per dropped bomb. That’s not how you do genocide, however you want to look at it.

        Food and water was being delivered from Israel, they did a vaccination campaign, etc., etc. There WERE efforts to protect civilians.

        Mind you: I’m not saying that no crimes were committed during that time, of course there were. But it was very, very obviously not a genocide.

        Unlike now. But now people hear about “genocide” and just roll their eyes.

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          My dude the first thing Israel did in the war was cut off any and all aid to the strip. Netanyahu’s Amalek speack happened in October 2023. South Africa submitted a case in December 2023.

          It was around 0.8 dead Palestinians per dropped bomb.

          Okay? That has a lot more to do than you think with how Palestinians weren’t all displaced and starving to death, and still had a functioning healthcare system.

          There WERE efforts to protect civilians.

          Are you living in the same reality as us? They’ve been bombing hospitals hospitals and aid workers since the goddamn start. What we see now is simply the culmination of everything Israel has done since October 2023, built on everything they’ve done since October 2023. They’re both part of the same genocidal campaign against Gazans.

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            9 days ago

            Okay? That has a lot more to do than you think with how Palestinians weren’t all displaced and starving to death, and still had a functioning healthcare system

            Mate, if you drop a bomb on that levels a building in region that has over 5000 people per km², you expect at least dozens dead.

            Unless you take special precautions to protect human lives - like roof knocking, text messages, and phone calls informing civilians about the attack.

            Are you living in the same reality as us? They’ve been bombing hospitals hospitals and aid workers since the goddamn start

            I’m sorry, I had this conversation a million times online already and I’m just tired of repeating myself.

            I’m just going to list some facts and leave.

            1. Hamas uses hospitals as bases/warehouses. Same with schools, churches, libraries, etc.
            2. A protected building loses its protected status if used for military purposes.
            3. A lot of aid workers were working for Hamas (the entirety of UNWRA was compromised).
            4. Propaganda works overtime on both sides so even valid targets were painted as crimes.
            5. It’s not - and probably never will be - clear how many of the “war crime civilian casualties” were Hamas fighters in civilian clothes who got stripped of their weapons after they died. Same for aid workers.
            6. Hamas is responsible for bringing the war to Gaza, it’s also responsible for at least some of the Israeli attacks on refugee camps, by using them for military purposes (we have videos of them shooting missiles from between white tents in the camps)
            7. At least in the beginning, when people were crying “genocide”, there was nothing suggesting actual genocide was taking place. Aid was coming in, vaccines where coming in, USA built a whole port to send food in, Israel was making extreme effort at ensuring target buildings were empty before levelling them.
            8. Israel has 100% committed A LOT of crimes, including shooting verified aid workers, reporters or even diplomats.
            9. All people responsible for war crimes should be tried and appropriately punished, but we know that won’t happen in the case of Israel because nobody has the balls to touch them.
            10. Netanyahu should be put up against the wall and shot. He’s the main reason this whole thing even started.
            11. Now that right-wing psychopaths have practically unlimited power in Israel, and the real genocide has begun, nobody gives a shit, because you people have cried wolf over bullshit for so long.
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              9 days ago

              I’m just going to list some facts bold-faced, already debunked Israeli propaganda and leave.

              I can provide evidence if anyone here actually believes this Hasbara nonsense.

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                9 days ago

                So, you’re saying that calling for Netanyahu’s death penalty and stating that Israel has committed crimes is a “bold-faced, already debunked Israeli propaganda”? Yeah, I don’t think there will be a discussion here.