Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denials
Allying with a genocidal nation is a form of support for that nation and it’s genocidal project. I don’t understand why this is so difficult to accept. Or, are you taking the stance that the ends always justify the means when it comes to defense. If so, then you’re taking a stance that has been used by Hamas to justify 10/7, Israel to justify genocide, and Russia to justify invading Ukraine.
Allying - to have friendly relations, to help each other, to cooperate, etc.
Is Israel being friendly, helping and cooperating with Ukraine? Yes.
Is Ukraine being friendly with Israel? Yes. Is Ukraine cooperating with Israel? Yes. Is Ukraine helping Israel? To the extent that we know what happening, they are at least lending legitimacy to the Israeli regime. That helps them given that they are facing mounting international pressure, ICJ charges, and cratering public support. The agreement also implies that Ukraine will owe something to Israel at some point. That amounts to a promise to help them, somehow. It’s also very reasonable to speculate that Israel has some repayment arranged behind the scenes, although we can only speculate at this point.
Am I holding Ukraine to a high moral standard? Yes. I appreciate the desperate and immediate danger to Ukraine, but this is the same standard that Ukraine and specifically Zelensky have been demanding from the international community since this started. He has rightly appealed to people’s morality and basic human sense of justice as the reason for supplying Ukraine’s defense. Working directly with a regime as comically evil, as outrageously violent, and destructive as Israel undermines all of that.
Accepting Patriot missiles to protect your skies is akin to organising a genocidal imperialist invasion?
Allying with a genocidal nation is a form of support for that nation and it’s genocidal project. I don’t understand why this is so difficult to accept. Or, are you taking the stance that the ends always justify the means when it comes to defense. If so, then you’re taking a stance that has been used by Hamas to justify 10/7, Israel to justify genocide, and Russia to justify invading Ukraine.
No, you are wrong.
You bring up all this flowery rhetoric and random accusations, yet when push comes to shove, you always hide from specifics.
What do you mean by allying?
How would Ukraine not accepting the Patriot systems help the Palestinians?
Be clear and specific.
Allying - to have friendly relations, to help each other, to cooperate, etc.
Is Israel being friendly, helping and cooperating with Ukraine? Yes.
Is Ukraine being friendly with Israel? Yes. Is Ukraine cooperating with Israel? Yes. Is Ukraine helping Israel? To the extent that we know what happening, they are at least lending legitimacy to the Israeli regime. That helps them given that they are facing mounting international pressure, ICJ charges, and cratering public support. The agreement also implies that Ukraine will owe something to Israel at some point. That amounts to a promise to help them, somehow. It’s also very reasonable to speculate that Israel has some repayment arranged behind the scenes, although we can only speculate at this point.
Am I holding Ukraine to a high moral standard? Yes. I appreciate the desperate and immediate danger to Ukraine, but this is the same standard that Ukraine and specifically Zelensky have been demanding from the international community since this started. He has rightly appealed to people’s morality and basic human sense of justice as the reason for supplying Ukraine’s defense. Working directly with a regime as comically evil, as outrageously violent, and destructive as Israel undermines all of that.