Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denials
We’ll see when there are votes in UN and other bodies about Israel. I’m sure Ukraine strongly condemns Israeli genocide, as much as when they were saying not so long ago they are in the same position as Israel. One has to be extremely naïve thinking those Patriots come without strings attached.
So what are those strings? I am not saying there are or aren’t, but surely you have to be specific if you are making such claims.
Initially there was a strong level of public support for Israel because people in Ukraine saw similarities between the behaviour of Hamas and the russians (summary killings, rape, internment or civilians). Once people in Ukraine saw what Israel did to Gaza attitudes started to change.
The government and Zelenskyy can’t stand Netanyahu because he is pretty friendly with putin. You’re not on great terms with someone who is meeting with your enemy (that has tried to get you killed several times).
You do understand that Ukraine requested the Israeli Patriots as far back as October 2022, right?
Why is it funny? This thread is littered with random musings and most posters aggressively refuse to refer to specifics. And generally have a comically impractical take on the issue.
What you brought up is a solid point, Ukraine abstained when it should have voted in favour (I say this as someone who votes in Ukrainian elections, pay taxes, donates etc.).
Is that it? So Ukraine voting in favour (or against Israel) would stop the killing in Gaza?
What would change if Ukraine voted for (which I would have preferred) in the Oct 2024 General Assembly vote?
It’s funny because those strings don’t come publicly, but knowing Israel we get a good impression what they are. Would it stop? Probably not, but then again it makes Ukraine complicit and saying it doesn’t matter is wrong. Every vote matters, that’s how we are supposed to stop it. 🤷♂️
We’ll see when there are votes in UN and other bodies about Israel. I’m sure Ukraine strongly condemns Israeli genocide, as much as when they were saying not so long ago they are in the same position as Israel. One has to be extremely naïve thinking those Patriots come without strings attached.
So what are those strings? I am not saying there are or aren’t, but surely you have to be specific if you are making such claims.
Initially there was a strong level of public support for Israel because people in Ukraine saw similarities between the behaviour of Hamas and the russians (summary killings, rape, internment or civilians). Once people in Ukraine saw what Israel did to Gaza attitudes started to change.
The government and Zelenskyy can’t stand Netanyahu because he is pretty friendly with putin. You’re not on great terms with someone who is meeting with your enemy (that has tried to get you killed several times).
You do understand that Ukraine requested the Israeli Patriots as far back as October 2022, right?
Here is one example of those strings, I have no doubts there are and will be more. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496
As per asking me to tell you what exactly are those strings is kinda funny, isn’t it?
Why is it funny? This thread is littered with random musings and most posters aggressively refuse to refer to specifics. And generally have a comically impractical take on the issue.
What you brought up is a solid point, Ukraine abstained when it should have voted in favour (I say this as someone who votes in Ukrainian elections, pay taxes, donates etc.).
Is that it? So Ukraine voting in favour (or against Israel) would stop the killing in Gaza?
What would change if Ukraine voted for (which I would have preferred) in the Oct 2024 General Assembly vote?
It’s funny because those strings don’t come publicly, but knowing Israel we get a good impression what they are. Would it stop? Probably not, but then again it makes Ukraine complicit and saying it doesn’t matter is wrong. Every vote matters, that’s how we are supposed to stop it. 🤷♂️
It makes Ukraine complicit? In what? Where does Ukraine say it doesn’t matter about the horrors the Israel is doing in Gaza?
So the secret demands from Israel are so powerful that they can’t even get Ukriane to vote against (for Israel) and not abstain?