We have computers, we have on demand video, we have AI, I’ve watched Khan academy and the countless others, it is not a tenable position to tell me this can’t be RADICALLY different because I’ve seen it. I know it can be better. We need to take out the old models and break the mold, the old business model is finished, has been finished for decades and decades but it lives on unchanged because of its own self-healing bureaucracy. It’s institutionalized way of doing things. This is the fuel behind the vapid and dangerous chainsaw wielding freaks who want to privatize it all.

It HAS to change and it has to STOP fighting against progress and change. And for that we have to make this future livable for the people who will be working there.

I understand very well what you mean and what the goal is, the problem is that it just doesn’t reflect the reality of what was happening in school. For fuck’s sake, not a single class in the entire duration explained how to do taxes or fix your car. It was all the most tepid and diluted of learning, thank fuck I had the internet to learn about the world because there was very little of that going on at school.

I really don’t know how it was even possible that so much filler, never ending school slop as appetizing as what they served at the cafeteria.

But really that’s not the worse of it, no, even thought it was VERY bad, the worse was the total suppression of agency, the lack of relevance, taking absolutely for granted that we could not escape and so there was never any need to even tell us what we’re going to learn or why or have any choices.

Every single day started with waking up too early, bussing around for an hour and then enduring this torture that would not even end one fucking minute at a time. I have a hard time even imagining how it used to be back then. If I had known how bad it was going to be I would have probably killed myself to save myself from this hellish horror. At least real physical torture wouldn’t have been so hopelessly boring.

I work in industrial bureaucratic institution and yes, I wouldn’t expect any kind of good results or quality for a very long time if they suddenly pivoted to creative video making.

But we know it’s very possible, if you look at crash course or khan academt and the like, to have something not as tedious as book reading or sterile whiteboard live lectures.

It would be very hard to be worse than them.

Not as featureful, but my friends and I run our own xmpp server

Well, pre-recorded video should have LONG ago replaced in person lectures. And we could have had symbolic programs handles all exercises, exams, quiz most of the formulaic interactions that teachers use to bulk up their courses.

All those freed teaching hours could be pooled together to create the video content and refine it more and more.

Instead we’ve got teacher giving the same lecture 6 times a week. Exhausting and unnecessary. Their efforts would be much better spent with rapid one on one tutoring of only those who need help.

And that was all BEFORE we had AI to offload most of the mundane tasks.

I code for fun, have been doing so for decades and using AI as an helper has been amazing.

My coding skill in my cursed basic variants (VB6/VBA/vb.net)

translated overnight to basically any language that I want, it’s just amazing.

I can almost code in javascript by hand just from exposure, despite never formally trying to learn it

If students did useful things, self directed things, were allowed to discover and create, can you imagine how ducking crazy that would be ? Imagine if we didn’t largely waste the bulk of everyone’s youth on boring 1800s style lecturing toiling in mass education factories ?

Sure but that was not anywhere near the bulk of my time spent in school. Most of my actual learning occurred after school on the internet. School mostly made me accept that my most useful hours of my life would be consumed, and largely wasted, by external forces which I would have little to no control over and even less chances to escape from.

Thanks I’ll check that out

For me it is

“Do schools kill creativity? | Sir Ken Robinson | TED”

which is the first result if you search youtube for “ted talk education”

He doesn’t really have a solution of mass manufactured education but he does highlight the problem real good

Actually, someone made a drawing version of this talk and it’s really good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

That information was at least available to capture.

With discord it was EULA-walled and anti-scraper locked

You mean NNTP ?

The disappearance of forum public discussion to unsearchable, unpreserved, discord semi-private discussion chambers is probably the largest informational catastrophe of the internet so far.

Well it’s not like you had a choice in the matter and that’s why they don’t care how interested you are. You and the rest of your batch just need to sit still for an hour and a half until you get a break walking to the next boredom session.

I find it quite incredible that I spent 14 years of 40 hours weeks listening to people talk about stuff I did not care about under the assumption that if I didn’t I’d end up homeless so they never tried to make me care.

Fortunately we had a computer at home to learn about the stuff I actually cared about.

I find it crushing that they’re still making students sit and listen about this boring useless shit when they can just ask their phones about whatever they’d be trying to do if they weren’t listening to a course plan from the 1800s about completely obsolete and irrelevant things.

How can this incredibly important phase of life be so hopelessly poisoned by school for absolutely no reasons at all.

Yep, they aggressively XY problem your question until you give up. Also why many questions do not give the answer to the problem what most people asking that question would ask.

Ah yes, the place that never answered anything.

The sloppiest of slops before we got AI slop.

It was the pinterest of answering stuff

Easy fix, install proxmox and run corpo-os in that as well as a proper desktop os. Just need to max out the ram on the shitbox thet give you and now you can switch almost seemlessly

He doesn’t like that my cubicle computer would not be all the others

IT just said no for WSL “ask your manager”

My manager barely knows how to read his email

and doesn’t understand why I want 3rd screen

Frankly a lot of engineers are soulless and their only north star is profit and lawsuits.