In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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      Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. It’s of course a shitty thing to do, but I’m getting kinda annoyed by how often people use nazis as an example for something when they were far more evil than anything that exists today, essentially downplaying or borderline normalizing nazis because of how commonly it’s now used for real life examples.

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    As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.

    As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.

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      Although not voting was the wrong move, It’s important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

      The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

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        The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

        Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

        It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

        Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

        If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

        Over it.

        Edit: I’m not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.

        You’re just spoiled Americunts who think you’re superheroes for doing nothing

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          You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.

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            Yes I do. And yes I am.

            You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”

            The rest of us actually made a choice.

            Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

            You’re children.

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              I’m trans. I voted for Kamala, but I have zero hate on anyone who didn’t due to Gaza.

              The Democrat’s problem isn’t just Gaza. It’s what the enabling of a genocide signals and means. If you will enable a literal ethnic cleansing, what won’t you do? You’ve literally already elevated things to full-on Hitlerian levels. If you’re willing to do that for political power, there is nothing you won’t do.

              And as we’ve seen recently, Democrats have frequently thrown trans people under the bus. Even Kamala didn’t even try to refute the endless barrage of anti-trans ads thrown by the Republicans.

              When asked if she supported trans care for inmates, do you know what she said? She said, “we’ll follow the law.” She was defending her past actions as California attorney general to provide trans prisoners gender-affirming healthcare. But when given the perfect opportunity to stand up for trans people everywhere, she said that she only did it because it’s what the law required of her.

              Someone who actually gave a shit about trans lives would never say something like that. Instead they would say, “of fucking course prisoners get trans healthcare. Trans healthcare is medically-necessary care. It saves lives. To deny someone that care or to force them to detransition is literal torture. We sentence people to prison. We don’t sentence them to torture. We give inmates gender-affirming healthcare because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment.”

              That’s how you actually answer that question if you have an ounce of empathy in your soul for trans people or any understanding of the issue at all. If you make trans care some frivolous thing that can be denied to prisoners, then all trans identities are frivolous and undeserving of legal recognition or respect in any context.

              And there are far worse Democrats than Kamala. Plenty of centrist Dems are willing to throw trans people under the bus if they can earn cheap political points. It turns out that if you’re willing to support a literal genocide, then persecuting a small minority group isn’t that big an ask. Once you’ve committed murder, shoplifting isn’t something you think twice about.

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              Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.

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                Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

                I’m sorry you don’t have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.

                Get fucked, kid.

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                  Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.

                  When people stop saying you’re a fool for being a “single issue voter” against genocide and that Harris had to support genocide to win, I will.

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                  There’s no nuance to be had, you’re comfortable trading the lives of countless palestinians for your own comfort and safety, it’s actually just that simple. You deserve Trump and worse.

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          There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

          Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

          When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

          Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.

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            Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

            I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

            You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink

            My trans son says “fuck you”.

            You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

            But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

            You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.