Reported* suicide rate
“Well akshually they just hide it, the real suicide rate is way higher and they lie to look good. I know this because as a rando on the internet I have access to ultimate truth, and am not just reflexively defending my own learned biases in the face of contrary evidence.”
Unfalsifiable orthodoxy. If the numbers were switched, and the socialist countries had the higher suicide rates, none of these liberals would be talking about “lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
You’re not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.
Or they just pretend that every Designated Bad Country is mad max. No matter what the actual data is, liberals will tell themselves a story about how it’s actually evidence of the opposite. Believe science, until the science says they’re wrong: then the science is lies because everybody knows Communism Bad. It’s an unshakeable religious belief in the inferiority of other countries and systems. Blue MAGA indeed.
in bad country, they won’t even let you kill yourself. Unlike freedom countries like Canada where doctors actively encourage it if you’re poorYou wrote this and later somebody said literally this completely unironically. And one other dude had even worse take.
they are eating from the trash can
Its not suicide if you die from defacto slave labor to create cheap products. Since this strategy of state-subsidised factories, normally operating a massive net loss, being employed to undermine economies around the world in exchange for dependence on China, a workers suicide could be ruled a MIA since its economic warfare. Not suicide.
~ The Chinese government, probably
Yall just be saying stuff huh? Do you have a single piece of evidence of “defacto slave labor” in China? Because i can show you plenty of evidence of the US using defacto slave labor in their prisons. Meanwhile China has lifted 800 million people OUT of extreme poverty. Their living conditions continue to rise. Sounds to me like your just mad that China is out competeing you in the marketplace of ideas. LOL
The PRC has outlawed slave labor, and purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. It’s time for you to turn off Fox News.
Further, China is “undermining” western, imperialist economies, but is actively engaged in multilateralism in the global south. They gain influence because their involvement actually develops the global south, rather than relying on an extractionary form of economy like the US and Europe do.
Reported* suicide rate
It’s even worse in South Korea and Taiwan?
If you have evidence that it’s greater or lesser in any of these states, then please, share. Otherwise, this is just a non-falsifiable claim.
No I do not have good data. But neither does OP.
- There is no international standard on what should be counted as suicide
- Even if there was, reporting quality would be very different between cultures and rural vs urban environments
- I think statistics coming fron authoritarian regimes are not trustworthy (I’ll leave it as an exercise to the reader to categorize which states are authoritarian)
This is more dodging the points raised than addressing them. You have proposed reasons for why the data may not be as accurate as possible, but that only prompts further investigation, not closing the book entirely. Further, all states are “authoritarian,” and no state wants to report a high suicide rate, so that isn’t a reasonable counter. Until the state withers away, it’s better for workers to have control of that authority.
i think its funny when libs just downvote facts they dont like.
There are two vote counters, one counts comrades, and one counts liberals
Yeah kinda silly, I mean the post title even is about “interesting data” - true or false, the data is interesting. What is the point of downvoting something literally just showing published data?! If you think the data is false/misleading/etc./etc./etc., that doesn’t take away from it being “interesting”, if anything it makes it more “interesting”, so how about stopping in and talking about it instead of just drive-by downvoting??
It’s funny when .ml actually encounters real people who downvote their bullshit
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Is that percent of the population or per 1000?
This is how people generally lie with statistics
Do you think 21% of South Koreans are killing themselves every year? lmao
It’s per 100,000 which is somewhat standard for this kind of stat. South Korea’s is actually even higher right now at 28.3 for 2024.
Every 100 000.
This is formatted to imply percentage, but for that the decimal points on these should be moved three digits over.
That 16.6 is 0.0166%.
No matter where you put the decimal the difference between the 2 doesnt change. All the numbers are judged by the same metric. How you format them is irrelevant. If you make the 16.6 into 0.0166 then the 6.7 becomes 0.0067 and all youve managed to do is make the numbers harder to understand.
unpopular opinion: it should be a human right (once it’s determined you don’t have a mental illness severe enough to prevent you from seeing other obvious solutions to your suffering) and a society that keeps people alive by force is authoritarian in and of itself.
Well yeah.
You’re not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.
As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small. Zoom in on someplace like Hong Kong, and the stats go right back to concerning.
The genocide of korea was 75 years ago, now that korea has nukes the burgernazis aren’t mass murdering them anymore
You’re not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first.
Unless you have evidence that such a hypothetical is actually occurring, why float it?
As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small.
That’s not how per capita rates work.
But if per capita stat is small isn’t it just a good thing in general? If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.
It’s like we normalized stats PER CAPITA so population number don’t really affect it!
That’s not really my point.
You can’t cancel out bad things with good things.
That China averages out to stats that look OK, doesn’t make the stuff happening in HK or Xinjiang go away.
If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.
Not necessarily. If you average everything, that hides any outliers.
The bigger the sample size for your stats, the less it tells you. You could have an entire country’s worth of people in China, living in conditions that lead to horrible stats, and have that essentially disappear in the stats of the whole country.
You should break stats down into smaller chunks. But not just arbitrarily. Do it by province, city, district. That’s how you find the problem areas. The bigger the area you measure, the less the stats tell you about the individual citizens.
That China averages out to stats that look OK, doesn’t make the stuff happening in HK or Xinjiang go away.
What’s happening in HK & Xinjiang?
The UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate the people of Hong Kong ended, a lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion. The last minute, US-backed attempt at color revolution failed. It was the so-called “revolutionaries” who brought the brutality, by the way.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- Uyghur genocide allegations
- American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
- US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
- The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
Hmm I wonder why Hong Kong specifically would have a concerning suicide rate
Perhaps higher, because Hong Kong was under British imperialist control until recently, and was capitalist until recently, like Taiwan and South Korea are.
The increase is recent, and still rising.
