Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denials
So, when Ukraine is pointing out genocide from Russia (which is levels lower than the other one), they are actually saying that genocide is bad only because it’s against them, but fine when it suits them.
Whatever word you’re using to describe them, it’s Russian, Russia has vested interest in dividing Americans against each other in every online space that they know of, side effect of not having a new leader. Every four years is Russia could mobilize against America completely and consistently using manipulation online there’s so much information out there on the Internet about Russia is doing you just have to look for it and be curious.
We’ll see when there are votes in UN and other bodies about Israel. I’m sure Ukraine strongly condemns Israeli genocide, as much as when they were saying not so long ago they are in the same position as Israel. One has to be extremely naïve thinking those Patriots come without strings attached.
So what are those strings? I am not saying there are or aren’t, but surely you have to be specific if you are making such claims.
Initially there was a strong level of public support for Israel because people in Ukraine saw similarities between the behaviour of Hamas and the russians (summary killings, rape, internment or civilians). Once people in Ukraine saw what Israel did to Gaza attitudes started to change.
The government and Zelenskyy can’t stand Netanyahu because he is pretty friendly with putin. You’re not on great terms with someone who is meeting with your enemy (that has tried to get you killed several times).
You do understand that Ukraine requested the Israeli Patriots as far back as October 2022, right?
Why is it funny? This thread is littered with random musings and most posters aggressively refuse to refer to specifics. And generally have a comically impractical take on the issue.
What you brought up is a solid point, Ukraine abstained when it should have voted in favour (I say this as someone who votes in Ukrainian elections, pay taxes, donates etc.).
Is that it? So Ukraine voting in favour (or against Israel) would stop the killing in Gaza?
What would change if Ukraine voted for (which I would have preferred) in the Oct 2024 General Assembly vote?
It’s funny because those strings don’t come publicly, but knowing Israel we get a good impression what they are. Would it stop? Probably not, but then again it makes Ukraine complicit and saying it doesn’t matter is wrong. Every vote matters, that’s how we are supposed to stop it. 🤷♂️
Shaking hands with a war criminal and a country involved in a genocide, also supporting said country?
Fuck off.
What do you expect Zelensky to do?
This sort of attitude is why the left doesn’t win in the west (not to mention full on tankie degeneracy, which I am not accusing you of).
So, when Ukraine is pointing out genocide from Russia (which is levels lower than the other one), they are actually saying that genocide is bad only because it’s against them, but fine when it suits them.
This is false. No one ever said anything like that. Nor are the actions done by Ukraine (or even Ukrainian society) aligned with this worldview.
The “lower level” comment is inappropriate and shows your ignorance of history.
For such a wild bullshit as they are posting, you can safely assume they are a Russian meant to sew discord
That’s true, Lemmy is unfortunately infested with degenerate tankie roaches.
Whatever word you’re using to describe them, it’s Russian, Russia has vested interest in dividing Americans against each other in every online space that they know of, side effect of not having a new leader. Every four years is Russia could mobilize against America completely and consistently using manipulation online there’s so much information out there on the Internet about Russia is doing you just have to look for it and be curious.
Americans are doing pretty good job dividing against each other even without Russia.
Yeah, everybody who doesn’t align with your view has to be a Russian.
Yes, 100% yes. Also, I’m done you
We’ll see when there are votes in UN and other bodies about Israel. I’m sure Ukraine strongly condemns Israeli genocide, as much as when they were saying not so long ago they are in the same position as Israel. One has to be extremely naïve thinking those Patriots come without strings attached.
So what are those strings? I am not saying there are or aren’t, but surely you have to be specific if you are making such claims.
Initially there was a strong level of public support for Israel because people in Ukraine saw similarities between the behaviour of Hamas and the russians (summary killings, rape, internment or civilians). Once people in Ukraine saw what Israel did to Gaza attitudes started to change.
The government and Zelenskyy can’t stand Netanyahu because he is pretty friendly with putin. You’re not on great terms with someone who is meeting with your enemy (that has tried to get you killed several times).
You do understand that Ukraine requested the Israeli Patriots as far back as October 2022, right?
Here is one example of those strings, I have no doubts there are and will be more. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496
As per asking me to tell you what exactly are those strings is kinda funny, isn’t it?
Why is it funny? This thread is littered with random musings and most posters aggressively refuse to refer to specifics. And generally have a comically impractical take on the issue.
What you brought up is a solid point, Ukraine abstained when it should have voted in favour (I say this as someone who votes in Ukrainian elections, pay taxes, donates etc.).
Is that it? So Ukraine voting in favour (or against Israel) would stop the killing in Gaza?
What would change if Ukraine voted for (which I would have preferred) in the Oct 2024 General Assembly vote?
It’s funny because those strings don’t come publicly, but knowing Israel we get a good impression what they are. Would it stop? Probably not, but then again it makes Ukraine complicit and saying it doesn’t matter is wrong. Every vote matters, that’s how we are supposed to stop it. 🤷♂️
I guess the British colonialists should’ve said no to the French by that standard. War is nuanced, and survival doesn’t make us picky.
But what if your survival means a genocide of another population?
How is Ukraine’s acceptance of older Patriot systems from Israel a genocide of the Palestinians?
Ridiculous logic.