“To protect children” is a stupid reason, but banning smoking anywhere outside of your own home, or spaces expressly dedicated to it, on the other hand, is how it should always have been.
There is an absolute metric shitload of proven scientific evidence that smoke inhalation causes lasting damage to developing lungs and hearts. Do you deny this scientific evidence?
I took it to mean that we should protect everything and everybody, not just the children. I could be wrong in my interpretation.
I’m from the UK where it’s at least banned indoors.
Visiting European pubs/bars where people still smoke is nuts and my clothes always stink after
The same ban exists in France and most other EU countries. And the fines/administrative closures are quite stringent.
Yeah, went to Spain, and woke up with a sore throat and really smelly clothes. Took me back to before the ban and realised how good that was for everyone
I don’t know where you went, but since 2011 it’s been illegal to smoke indoors in Spain. It’s still legal to smoke on outdoor seating in bars/restaurants, but fortunately that’s going to be made illegal as well.
It was illegal but not enforced at all or followed by the locals, so not followed by anybody else either. During the day was fine but in the evening and night it was like there was no law
Let me guess, Mallorca? I’m guessing the tourist places are more lax in that aspect, because there is no way you can smoke inside where I live, the pubs can get a very big fine if you do.
I was in Vegas a couple weeks back. Same problem.
I’d argue the less prevalent smoking is in public the less likely children will turn to smoking in the future. makes sense to me
“To protect children” is a stupid reason
Just depends on what sells the legislation. People can be very entitled but they might bend if it’s to “protect the children”
Replace “children” with “non-consenting people” and you’re getting close. Children are the most non-consenting people in society and deserve special protection accordingly.
You could say smoking is one of the most human activities ever. Does nothing but actively harm and potentially kill everything around you. Just what we’re the best at.
But seriously now. Can we speed up smoking bans? Like, everywhere?
But seriously now. Can we speed up smoking bans? Like, everywhere?
Some European countries, including mine, has decided to raise the smoking age by 1 every year, essentially banning the next generation from smoking. Not really rapid or speeding up, but future is looking good
There was a slight problem where some people were allowed to smoke for portion of the year after birthday and before the age increase, for every year
What country is it? I always wanted this for mine.
Good!
If you can’t smoke outdoors and you can’t smoke indoors, where can you smoke?
In designated smoking spots and in your own home. I’d extend it to vapers. If I can smell the shit you blow out your lungs then it’s very probable it’s in my lungs. Didn’t sign up for that. Personal freedom reaches up to the point where you infringe on the freedom of others (in this care my freedom to not have to breathe your smoke)
There are a lot of smells that you are expected to deal with, it seems like kind of a reach. I consider most parfums thoroughly unpleasant but I dont expect it to be made illegal.
That being said, I’m okay with this because of the littering aspect.
The smell of perfume doesn’t cause cancer. Second-hand smoke is proven to do so.
I wouldn’t be so sure that my formaldhyde perfume isn’t carcinogenic, and that hasn’t been banned anywhere.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach. Seems like exaggeration, cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
You’re correct, it isn’t a lightning bolt. This goes against your statement, not with it. It’s an accumulation of increased risk, and eventually it just happens (or doesn’t). The more things that increase your risk the higher the odds. You don’t just get cancer because someone smoked near you. You have an increased risk of cancer based on how much you’ve been around your entire life, and everything else that contributes. Reducing risk means reducing as many contributors as possible.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach.
One thing is bad, so we can’t do anything about another thing? “People are being killed by cars, but we can’t work to reduce that because people are dying from heart disease!” How silly.
The impact from those few odd times someone is smoking near you in an open areas is not proportional to the risk you are attributing to it imo. I am bringing up cars to highlight that.
Air and particulate pollution from cars is actually a pretty significant factor in respiratory health.
Cars don’t make me choke, but good point! I’d ban them from the cities as well.
Let’s ban cars too
Oh FFS, yeah, cancer for people living in the same house. Getting a whiff of cigarette smoke isn’t doing jack shit to you.
True, but at least vaping isn’t going to hurt you like secondhand smoke, and vapers don’t throw butts on the ground.
Lots of waste from single use vapes.
mostly because they don’t extract the lithium ion cells
There have been studies that show vaping to be just as dangerous, if not more so that “traditional cigarettes”
False
Really? The only negative effects I’ve heard of were the “popcorn lung” from unsafe additives and obviously too much nicotine. Do you have a link?
But what about “seconhand smoke”, if I may call it that?
Seconhand smoke from vaping is also dangerous:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4565991/ https://www.healthline.com/health/second-hand-vape#effects
TL;DR: Mainly it’s nicotine exposure, but vape smoke has been found to also contain lead, formaldehyde, & toluene.
That’s not what that study says.
In your own home thats not around anyone else? Nobody wants to breath in your cancer smoke except retards.
I don’t smoke, but I also don’t want to live in a world where you can’t.
I want to live in a world where people don’t force their vices on bystanders. I don’t give a shit what you do to yourself but it matters who you do it in front of. (Smoking in a house with children should be a crime)
They’re free to smoke when and where they’re not harming anyone.
Like outside more than 10 feet from a doorway? Surely 10 feet is enough to change your walking path and save yourself from a waft.
If you’re a smoker you may be surprised at the distance your smoke impacts other people. The smell, the cloud, The ash extends far beyond a mere ten feet. Where I live the law is 20 feet from an entrance and that’s just not enough.
The problem is you can’t change your path from an entrance because you may have to enter and exit. The problem is further that multiple smokers tend to congregate at the mandated distance so the smoke is much worse. It needs to be significantly farther.
But then it’s worse again in a city area, where the sidewalks are also a bottleneck. I can’t always cross the street to avoid smokers but frequently have to pass right next to them. And I’d like to point out they are the ones inflicting their vice/addiction on others. It should not be my responsibility to get out of the way of their bad habit when their reasonable accommodation would not inflict it on others
My point is that it is within the realm of normal annoyances from other people and there should be a reasonable expectation of both politeness from the smoker and tolerance from others. A strong perfume, a fart, body odor, spicy food, and many other gasses can be encountered at any point from a similar distance, but nobody suggests punishing people for those.
I find the desire to over legislate things due to personal preferences about how other people behave is a bigger and more annoying vice than smoking.
I enjoy spreading my ass cheeks and feeling the sun on my anus. It really takes the edge off, ya know what I mean? If I can’t do it in the park or the school playground, where the fuck can I get my sunnies?
Anywhere where it doesn’t bother other people.
Guess it’s time to quit. :)
This just in, vaporizer sales spike in France.
Also in the news, French citizens are vaping in restricted areas regardless of regulations.
I don’t smoke.
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Good i hope more countries adopt this. Türkiye is terrible for this, lovely country and people but there are smokers almost everywhere.
I live in a country with a strict outdoor smoking ban and I love it.
There are dedicated smoking areas for people to smoke outdoors, but they are really small and cramped with smokers.
It’s actually really nice, you never see or smell people smoking unless you wonder too close to the designated smoking areas which are often really out of the way.
The streets are not really clean here, but at least it’s not cigarette butts. Even things like vapes need to be smoked in a designated area, but sometimes people do it on the street anyway.
Europeans should get a new hobby, smoking is gross and you smell like burnt shit
Banning children seems like it would be more effective.
Dang, France is really about to take away the one thing that the USA has always been ahead of them on.
Protests bigger than anti-Trump ones in the US incoming in 3…2…1…
French smokers about to burn down their government buildings in protest
The prolific smoking in France really hits home for me when I was subjected to a cloud of smoke on a train platform. I can’t remember the last time my personal space was so violated waiting for a train.
I like these laws but also I want to smoke in some places. I’d love a return of places like cigar lounges and whisky bars
Reasoning aside, i agree that it shouldn’t be permitted outside one’s home
I was in Paris just after the Olympics ended and I don’t think I smelled any tobacco at all. Marseille? Cigarettes everywhere. I couldn’t even enjoy eating at the cafés.
To protect children, meanwhile the soil is filled with cancer-inducing products pumped away illegally by big chemistry plants. In belgium and netherlands we can barely eat our own produce thanks to this. When are we gonna ban them??
Ban children!?
